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    New Frag Tank Questions

    So I am going to setup my new frag tank. Couple questions. If I get water from established tanks will that help speed up the cycle?

    Looking for live sand and a couple pieces of live rock. Thanks in advance

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    So I am going to setup my new frag tank. Couple questions. If I get water from established tanks will that help speed up the cycle?

    Looking for live sand and a couple pieces of live rock. Thanks in advance
    Water, no, that will not speed up a cycle. Rock is the best.

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    Okay. Just thoughts. What's the average cycle time?

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    I've never used water to help cycle a tank but I think night star said that they do when setting up a new frag tank or QT

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    I have had to emergency cycle a tank to move coral and fish into i use a hang on tank powerfilter with the pads and i buy a bottle of cycle and dose it daily along with a few drops of prime moved 6 fish and and a whole tank of coral like this never lost any of it the cycle is bacteria starter in a super concentrated form

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigfoot610 View Post
    I have had to emergency cycle a tank to move coral and fish into i use a hang on tank powerfilter with the pads and i buy a bottle of cycle and dose it daily along with a few drops of prime moved 6 fish and and a whole tank of coral like this never lost any of it the cycle is bacteria starter in a super concentrated form
    I did this once but I just dumped the whole bottle in. Wonder if it makes a difference

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    yeah water won't speed up the cycle, the amount of bacteria in the water column is minimal at best. same reason why running a UV sterilizer won't destroy your good bacteria. Easiest way to do it would be to seed it with a piece of live rock from another tank. that'll do the trick for sure
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    Live rock... Use established live rock and you'll be golden, just my experience though of moving livestock between 3 different tanks with only one casualty, a green bubble nem.

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    What about sand? Does it need to be live?

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    Nope. Fresh sand with a nice piece of live rock and you'll be good.
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    I threw 10 bags of dry petco sand straight into all my tanks within a day or two and it's perfectly fine now
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    Gonna disagree, live sand will help. The ammonia cycle won't take long to establish within the first couple weeks but deeper sand beds are required for nitrite and nitrate cycling and those can take several weeks to establish especially without help from seeding. You don't need all live sand a mix will help seed fresh stuff. If you use live sand be sure to rinse any detritus and other collected bits out. Store bought sand may not carry the same bioload established tank sand does.

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    well now its my turn to disagree with you. sand beds ARE NOT required for nitrite and nitrate cycling...hence bare bottom tanks. I did however not say live sand wouldn't help, just said it wasn't necessary. Live bags of sand tend to carry animals and depending on how long its been o the shelf you're likely to have dead something in the bag which will in fact jump start the cycle for sure. And rinsing live sand out will in fact remove the "LIVE" characteristics of it.
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    Get a bottle of Dr Tim's one and done and you can add fish same day. Check out the review Mr saltwater tank did on this product. Pretty amazing stuff. I'm ordering some for my tank even though I have already dosed the Fritz product.

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    There are lots of ways to skin a cat. I still say to answer the original question. Live sand over dry sand will speed up a cycle. Dry sand will take time to cycle and seed. The bottled stuff can help too. There is still little substitute for the full spectrum you can get from live sand. Not sure what your intentions are in your setup. Sure there are bare bottoms that work fine, but one still needs to account for nitites and nitrates and have areas for the aerobic and anaerobic phases. Sand beds can play a big role in the cycle and often make up the majority of some people nitrogen cycle so why wouldn't you want to seed that as well.

    Sweat you asked time frame, here's a graph if it's unseeded
    http://successfulreefkeeping.com/wp-...ycle_graph.jpg

    Speeding up your cycle, including using substrate:
    http://saltaquarium.about.com/cs/bio.../aa051203.html

    Benefits from established sandbeds:
    http://www.reefkeeping.com/issues/20...ture/index.php
    https://reefworks.co.uk/articles/understanding-nitrate/

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    There's really only one way to skin a cat. Love that expression though.

    But with this my system chad with no sand or substrate what so ever and now with substrate there's no difference in my nitrates. They've always been the same. Go for the look you want.

    I would just use tap water with some urine for a display. But what would I know about a display mwuahahahahahahaaaaaa
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ehren View Post
    There are lots of ways to skin a cat. I still say to answer the original question. Live sand over dry sand will speed up a cycle. Dry sand will take time to cycle and seed. The bottled stuff can help too. There is still little substitute for the full spectrum you can get from live sand. Not sure what your intentions are in your setup. Sure there are bare bottoms that work fine, but one still needs to account for nitites and nitrates and have areas for the aerobic and anaerobic phases. Sand beds can play a big role in the cycle and often make up the majority of some people nitrogen cycle so why wouldn't you want to seed that as well.

    Sweat you asked time frame, here's a graph if it's unseeded
    http://successfulreefkeeping.com/wp-...ycle_graph.jpg

    Speeding up your cycle, including using substrate:
    http://saltaquarium.about.com/cs/bio.../aa051203.html

    Benefits from established sandbeds:
    http://www.reefkeeping.com/issues/20...ture/index.php
    https://reefworks.co.uk/articles/understanding-nitrate/
    Live sand is just detritus and dead bacteria. Waste of money if you are aiming for a fast cycle. If speed is t a problem then just put a raw shrimp in there and wait a month. Will be super seeded with bacteria then. Kinda a pointless argument really since we first need to determine if you are trying to do a regular speed cycle or a fast cycle. Of it is fast, then Live sand will do little to speed it up.

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    Nothing good in this hobby happens fast. I'd just keep that in mind and do it in whatever time it takes for everything to read as it should regardless of what you "seed" the tank with
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    Live sand is a bunch of dead sand with a little packet of clarifier aka nitrifiying bacteria. So using non life sand though the Dr Tim's method of adding bottled bacteria and ammonium chloride will actually cycle faster.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sweat044 View Post
    What about sand? Does it need to be live?
    I haven't used live sand since my first tank and I realised I got duped.

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