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    Why is wild collected a bad thing?

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    put me down for 5

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    60-65ppt? Isn't that really high? What type are these? Red, black or white mangroves?


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    Quote Originally Posted by hooked View Post
    60-65ppt? Isn't that really high? What type are these? Red, black or white mangroves?


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    65 ppt = 1.049

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    Quote Originally Posted by static reef View Post
    I am going to be ordering some mangrove trees for myself and would like to know if anyone else would like to join in. As of right now they will sit somewhere between $1- $1.25 a piece. Each trwe will be 12-18" 5all. If anyone is interested I will find out the specifics for everyone. 1-?? Per person. Pick up will be at my house after they ship in.

    Mangroves are filter feeders (phosphate and nitrate) and are the reason that the everglades are thriving. No matter what you read on the internet, no one knows the exact number of trees that you will need to benefit from each plant per saltwater system. We know that they work and rhey look cool. Lol

    what we do know is that they are very easy to take care of. You need to spray down the leaves with a little bit of rodi water to make sure that there is no salt creep on them. 1-2 x's a week will be plenty. Any typical fuge light is plenty of enough. The root system can go in a sand bed or in open water.

    A lot of people get a small piece of foam, punch a small whole in it, and shove the tree into the whole, thus leaving the root in the water and the leaves above.

    Thats make the cut off for ordering on the 16th. This will make pick up on friday the 20th and sat the 21st.


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    JJ 30
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    Quote Originally Posted by Levi View Post
    Why is wild collected a bad thing?

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    I dont know?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bush8984 View Post
    They are wild harvest, salinity in region is 60-65ppt. Right now my guys prepared for 200 and I asked for more as a buffer with how fast this is filling up

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    Double check that number bush. Sounds to high for anything to live

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    Quote Originally Posted by Levi View Post
    Why is wild collected a bad thing?

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    Wild collecting is bad because Mangrove forests are actually pretty delicate and when people go in tromping around they can easily upset the ecosystem. Mangrove forests are where LOTS of fish fry grow until they are big enough to fend for themselves in open water. This is one reason that many areas don't allow mangrove harvesting unless the plants are already free-floating on the waterways.


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    In this hobby we pull fish right out of the ocean. Not sure I understand the uproar here?

    If there was a problem from pulling from the wild, in the specific area of the specimens, I believe the wildlife parks would stop it. Since they havent stopped it, im am perfectly fine with this buy

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    I just got done reading the endangered listings of florida. Mangroves are not and have never been endangered (yes I know you didnt say anything about this). There are small fish fry and bird nests that have taken a specific liking to the branches/leaves and/or the root systems of the tree itself. At no point did I find (spent about 30 minutes) any information, while researching this matter, anything regarding any damage caused now or in the future, by the harvesting of new shoots of the mangrove tree.

    Yes, you could argue that the new shoots grow up to provide a safe haven for some of the endangered species that dwell amongst these trees within a mangrove habitat. I don't believe, nor do I see any proof, that the harvesting of these new shoots is in any way impeding the future for any endangered animals.

    Maybe im wrong, maybe I missed one article or someones opinion with an article. Maybe.

    Until then I will buy these for the betterment of the eco system that I am recreating at my house (as we all are).

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    Quote Originally Posted by hooked View Post
    60-65ppt? Isn't that really high? What type are these? Red, black or white mangroves?


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    Found this while doing a little bit of research. This quote came from wikipedia, Doyle.

    "The saline conditions tolerated by various mangrove species range from brackish water, through pure seawater (30 to 40 ppt (parts per thousand)), to water concentrated by evaporation to over twice the salinity of ocean seawater (up to 90 ppt)."

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    Quote Originally Posted by static reef View Post
    Found this while doing a little. It of research. This quote came from wikipedia, Doyle.

    "The saline conditions tolerated by various mangrove species range from*brackish water, through pure*seawater*(30 to 40*ppt(parts per thousand)), to water concentrated by*evaporation*to over twice the salinity of ocean seawater (up to 90 ppt)."

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    actually you could think of the home aquarium as a nursery for the man groves because once they get to big you have to take them out and im sure there is some type of program for re introducing mangroves to the wild

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    Here ya go

    http://search.ufl.edu/web?query=Sear...ufl.edu%2Ffish

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    Yeah I know that on many islands mangrove trees are protected but ONLY because they prevent the island from eroding into the ocean. Maybe its not mangroves maybes its another tree?

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    Quote Originally Posted by hooked View Post
    $20 / 1.25 = 16
    I like things that end up even.

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    I'll take 4

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    Just so you know, I was answering the question about why wild collection was bad. I didn't say no one should get in on this order or anything like that. Everyone has to make their own decision about what goes in their tanks and how they perceive it affects the natural environment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smokey View Post
    Just so you know, I was answering the question about why wild collection was bad. I didn't say no one should get in on this order or anything like that. Everyone has to make their own decision about what goes in their tanks and how they perceive it affects the natural environment.
    These are seeds btw, seeds are not prohibited from being collected. The green pods can range from 12-18" and start to sprout a stem usually with 1-3 leaves. If they do not have a stem and leaves then salinity levels from where they are harvested is not as much of a concern. Great reading btw

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