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torquehound
01-24-2010, 10:20 AM
Any one here have experience with puffers and porcupines? When we finish moving all our stuff to the 210, we are going to convert one of our tanks to a puffer/ f.o.w.l.r. tank. Just curious as to what to expect or prepare for and any special needs the little guys might have. I know they are ich prone.

AGGJSW
01-24-2010, 10:53 AM
Neptune's Realm used to have a big one in one of their store displays. They may have some info. All I know is you can buy dried ones at gift shops. But those are very prone to dust.

notxes11
01-24-2010, 11:58 AM
Lol!

JLAURENCE32
01-24-2010, 03:28 PM
All I know is don't keep poking him, to make him puff up, so you can show your friends. They don't like that and die after about three days.

stacy7127
01-24-2010, 05:17 PM
I had a porcupine puffer that was about 8"+ very friendly another cool puffer is the stars and stripes,both puffers you need a big tank and good skimmer ,mine only puffed up in the early morning to stretch their skin. feed kirll and silversides,and peeled shrimp.

torquehound
01-24-2010, 06:14 PM
Thank you for that real info Stacy. That is what I was more looking for. Is 36 x 18 x 25 enough room? There are big puffers and little puffers too. I was going to try and lean more to the smaller ones that the 13 inch big guys. I also thought about throwing a snowflake eel in for fun too.

stacy7127
01-24-2010, 06:50 PM
I would say that tank would be to small for the big ones ,as they can grow pretty fast ,I had a zebra moray in with mine without problems, I have never had the smaller puffers like valentines puffer but i think as long as you have a good skimmer you should be fine,my ammonia and nitrates were off the chart but the fish all seem to do fine.
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torquehound
01-24-2010, 07:51 PM
Very cool. I will be putting an Aqua C Remora on it. It should do fairly well I would think. It does fine on my wife's reef set up now anyway. When I get a new one for my 210 then I can put the turbofloater I have back on it.

rekn
01-25-2010, 11:14 AM
theyre extremely messy. they dont swallow their food whole but flay it through their teeth in like a back and forth motion-it gets particles of food everywhere.


i have a toby now,small size puffer. hes nice and the colors are super bright too. might want to look into toby's instead

coreefer
01-25-2010, 12:54 PM
Thank you for that real info Stacy. That is what I was more looking for. Is 36 x 18 x 25 enough room? There are big puffers and little puffers too. I was going to try and lean more to the smaller ones that the 13 inch big guys. I also thought about throwing a snowflake eel in for fun too.


I've kept valentinis and blue spotted tobies. I have a bs toby right now actually. They are easy fish. They eat whatever you feed, have lots of personality, and are not aggressive. they like to nip at the fins of fish that have long fins like lionfish and will harass these types of fish until the die. when I was living in Lexington, I kept a valentini in a full blown reef setup for 2 years with no problem. they definitely will eat any crustaceans you have but are hit or miss with coral. They will inflate if extremely stressed and should not be taken out of water as gas can develop in their cavities. The puffer should be ok with the snowflake as long as it is not big enough to be eaten...Check at neptunes realm they have a larger toby that has been there for months.

BTW, instead of teeth they have a beak and need a clam or a muscle every once in a while to help keep it ground down.

torquehound
01-25-2010, 05:11 PM
Live clam or just the shell? Do they use it like a bird uses a cuttlebone or do they just do it for the food with the filing as a result?

coreefer
01-25-2010, 07:10 PM
use live clam..

torquehound
01-25-2010, 07:58 PM
So where can you get a cheap clam to use as food? 40 dollar snacks would get expensive.

rekn
01-26-2010, 11:06 AM
grocery store. little-necks are fine

torquehound
01-26-2010, 05:58 PM
So the formerly frozen ones in the fish dept?

rekn
01-28-2010, 11:10 AM
yes, andt hey arent dead. even though theyre frozen, if you thaw them out in your tank they will extend their syphon tubes and mantles.

i always break them over a sink and wash their inards first. lots of dirt and nasties sometimes.

Reeflextion
01-28-2010, 05:09 PM
I had a Valentine and a Dog Face (they also have a great personality) with a Zebra moray eel (more red then choclate) and had no problems. The puffers were about 7" and the eel was about 24" so I really didn't need to worry about them together. They are messy and I fed all of the raw shrimp from the meat department along with Silversides. Be prepared to clean your tank more often then the reef. I loved them but got to be too much a pain in the a** with no cleaning crew.

I also had an 12" snowflake in a 30 gal reef tank for a year and had no issues with cleanup crew. Depends on the situation I assume.

torquehound
01-28-2010, 08:17 PM
So a frozen or crisp chilled clam will come back to life it you just stick it in the tank?

rekn
01-29-2010, 11:03 AM
yes

Mr. Limpet
01-31-2010, 08:08 AM
I had a green spotted puffer in my tank for over a year he was my favorite fish the tangs did not bother him plus they are reef safe. He jumped out of the tank sadly I will most likely get another one.

torquehound
01-31-2010, 09:18 AM
How did you get a green spot to go from fresh to salt? I know they should over time be switched, but how did you do it? We decided to not do puffers in the 65 I had left over. We are going to wait and do it in a 4ft 90 or a 4ft 150 or something like that. 4 ft because the stand I made for my 65 I made at 4ft with the plan to grow and it is really pretty. Check it in the member's tanks pics.

liriel
01-31-2010, 11:23 AM
I had one in my 125 and he was VERY cool. I bought him already acclimated, but we've also switched molly's to salt water. I just acclimate them for a good half day, gradually switching the water from fresh to salt. Sue at Seascape might be able to give you better specifics, but it was like a 1/4 cup water every half hour or so of salt for 4 hours or so.

my stupid 6-line ended up being the end of my green spot, but man he was cool. I would totally do it again. He nipped at the snails but left everything else in the reef alone.

Mr. Limpet
02-01-2010, 06:53 AM
I dripped for a couple of hours

torquehound
02-01-2010, 08:40 PM
Guess we will have to try that. Very Cool.

torquehound
02-10-2010, 08:28 PM
So I was thinking of a AGA 110x RR tank. It is 48x18x29. What cha think size wise for puffers?

rekn
02-11-2010, 11:51 AM
So I was thinking of a AGA 110x RR tank. It is 48x18x29. What cha think size wise for puffers?

depends on the puffer species. ive seen some common ones get huge.

torquehound
02-11-2010, 05:38 PM
I know the standard LFS issue porcupine gets 11" or so. Is 48" not long enough? 29 is certainly deep enough.

rekn
02-12-2010, 08:38 AM
they arent just long but stocky too. and theyre way more messy than a normal fish that size so tank reqs are hard to come up with