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JLAURENCE32
12-14-2008, 03:48 PM
Ok, here's the results of the Par test on the new T5's.

Specs:

Lights =
six 60" T5's overdriven w/ IC 660's
Reefgeek MiroIV reflectors
three ATI blue plus bulbs (20,000k?)
two ATI aquablue bulbs (12,000k)
one GE daylight (6500k)

Tank =
125gal at 23" tall
Lights at 7" above water

Http://www.thescmas.com/forums/gallery/files/2/5/1/test_results.jpg

Http://www.thescmas.com/forums/gallery/files/2/5/1/on_sandbed.jpg

This was fairly difficult to do considering two of my bulbs flip up over my tank when the canopy is open. So I had to open/close the canopy between each reading.

calvin415
12-14-2008, 04:11 PM
Looks good Joe!!!

Reefkoi
12-14-2008, 04:45 PM
Great, thanks for posting the results here!

Its interesting that even though you have a flourescent bulb which is several feet long, you get a bright spot in the middle.........similiar to a halide, I wouldn't have guessed that one.

mrliriel
12-14-2008, 06:02 PM
Awsome. It makes me want to throw away all my pure actinics for Blue Plus lamps.

calvin415
12-14-2008, 07:51 PM
Great, thanks for posting the results here!

Its interesting that even though you have a flourescent bulb which is several feet long, you get a bright spot in the middle.........similiar to a halide, I wouldn't have guessed that one.

I was equally amazed and puzzled on how that can be... I guess the facts are in the numbers though. :D Joe, I'm only running 4 bulbs on my setup, what bulbs would you run if you had to use only 4? Any chance you could test the par values on each bulb? Just curious if the 6500k bulb gives you more par than say the blue plus or even the aquablues?

mrliriel
12-14-2008, 08:06 PM
http://tfivetesting.googlepages.com/par
Here are par results for individual 54W lamps. As for what lamps you should run that would be a matter of weather you want a 12000k or 20000k look or somewhere in the middle. With T5 lamps you get about the same par with either setup.

mrliriel
12-14-2008, 08:07 PM
Below is a repost of a duscussion had with Grim on reefcental about lamp combos...
4 lamp 14K look

Front
Blue
Actinic (Can substitute UVL 75/25 for SPS tank on this or any other mixes listed)
Sun/Daylight
Blue (or Aquablue for a whiter look)

4 lamp 20K look

Blue
Actinic
Aquablue (or blue for stronger blue look)
Blue

5 lamp 14K

Blue
Actinic
Sun/Daylight
Blue
Aquablue

5 lamp 20K look

Blue
Actinic
Aquablue
Blue
Blue, Actinic, UVL 75/25, Aquablue (going from a more to less intense blue)

6 lamp 10K

Blue
Actinic
Sun/Daylight
Aquablue
Sun/Daylight, Aquablue
Blue


6 lamp 14K

Blue
Actinic
Sun/Daylight
Blue
Sun/Daylight, Aquablue
Blue

6 lamp 20K look

Blue
Actinic
Aquablue
Blue
Blue, UVL 75/25, Aquablue (going from more to less intense blue)
Blue


7 lamp SPS Mushroom Melter 10K look

Blue
Aquasun
UVL 75/25
Blue
Aquasun
Aquablue
Blue

7 lamp 14K look

Blue
Daylight/sun or ATI Pro Color
Actinic
UVL 75/25
Blue
Aquablue or Sun/Daylight
Blue

7 lamp 15K More noticable blue

Blue
Actinic
Blue
Aquablue or UVL 75/25
Actinic
Aquablue or Blue
Blue

7 lamp 15K more blue with added red spectrum

Blue
Pro Color
Actinic
Blue
Blue
UVL 75/25
Blue

8 lamp 10K

Blue
Aquasun
Actinic
Blue
Aquasun
UVL 75/25
Aquablue
Blue

8 lamp 14K

Blue
Actinic
Daylight/sun
Blue
Daylight/sun
Blue
Aquablue
Blue


8 lamp 20K

Blue
Actinic
UVL 75/25
Blue
Aquablue
Blue
Actinic
Blue

8 lamp “What did you put in my drink man?” Special
Looks like 20K with heavy actinics. Glows

Blue
UVL Super Actinic
Blue
Pro Color
UVL Super Actinic
Blue
UVL 75/25
Blue

mrliriel
12-14-2008, 08:09 PM
When he says "Blue" He means ATI Blue+ in specific because it has the highest par of the blue lamps.

calvin415
12-14-2008, 10:02 PM
Thanks Bro!!!

mrliriel
12-14-2008, 10:18 PM
Np, I kept that post archived on my computer cause' I thought it would be useful and because its hard to wade through the crap on RC for the meaty morsels.

calvin415
12-14-2008, 10:21 PM
Good Call!!!

JLAURENCE32
12-15-2008, 08:10 AM
I think the whole trick to the high Par is the Ati blue plus bulbs. They give just about as much Par as a 10,000k or 6500k bulb but still give you the nice blue to flouresent corals. In the tests on RC, the Par from an Ati blue plus was about 330, I think at 12", compared to about 220 from an Actinic bulb. Notice I don't have any actinic bulbs and you really don't need any with the Blue plus.

mrliriel
12-15-2008, 09:19 AM
The par from ATI True Actinic is just shy of 140 and the par from a Blue+ is 310 so going from an actinic to a blue plus is over double par. The Blue+ does have quite a bit of actinic in it, but not quite as much as the true actinics. I just ran them cause my corals were used to PC lighting and I didn't want to shock them. The aquablue specials put out just shy of 340 each so you really don't loose that much going from 12000k to 22000k with T5 lamps.

JLAURENCE32
12-15-2008, 12:58 PM
And you gotta make sure it's a ATI blue plus and not a Giesemann blue plus. Two totally different bulbs.

JLAURENCE32
12-15-2008, 01:07 PM
Its interesting that even though you have a flourescent bulb which is several feet long, you get a bright spot in the middle.........similiar to a halide, I wouldn't have guessed that one.

Chris, I think it's because the Par meter picks up light from the sides too. So if it's in the middle, it's getting light from the center and both ends of the bulb. But if it's on the end, it's getting light from that end and the center only, not the extreme other end.


Joe, I'm only running 4 bulbs on my setup, what bulbs would you run if you had to use only 4?

Eric, I would run two ATI blue plus, one ATI aquablue and one GE daylight 6500k. I would probably buy enough bulbs for one fixture, then see the color. Your fish are gonna need sunglasses!