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JLAURENCE32
08-29-2008, 09:40 AM
I'm hoping to get some advice on my upcoming skimmer purchase. From what I've learned in the last two weeks of cramming this is what I think: the needle wheel is the best type, with a recirculating feature and/or the bubble plate as the best extras.
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-SKIMMER TYPES:
needle wheel
air driven counter-current
venturi
beckett-head
downdraft
spray injection

-EXTRAS:
recirculating
bubble plate
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-SKIMMERS THAT FIT IN MY SUMP (11.25 x 13.25 x 28 with half wall cut out)

http://www.fishsupply.com/sps-ati200.html
ATI Bubble Master 200
12.6" x 8.5" x 19.6"
up to 250gal
needle wheel

http://www.aquacave.com/octopus-extreme-200-br-protein-skimmer-br-by-coralvue-2200.html
MSX/Reef Octopus Extreme 200 (will it fit?)
11.5 x 13.5 x 22.75
up to 350
bubble plate
needle wheel or mesh

http://www.aquacave.com/octopus-extreme-160-br-protein-skimmer-br-by-coralvue-2199.html
MSX/Reef Octopus Extreme 160 (fits in sump now with half-wall)
8 X 10 X 23
up to 250
bubble plate
needle wheel or mesh

http://www.aquacave.com/asm-g-3-protein-skimmer-1301.html
ASM G-3
11 x 12 x 25
recommended 250gal
needle wheel

http://www.aquacave.com/bullet-2-protein-skimmerbr-by-precision-marine-501.html
Precision Marine Bullet 2
6.25 x 10 x 24
recommended 250gal
Beckett type?

http://www.aquacave.com/detail.aspx?ID=1266
Tunze DOC Skimmer 9010
4.9 x 4.4 x 16.8
up to 264 gal? (seems overrated for size)
needle wheel

http://www.aquacave.com/octopus-dnw-150-br-recirculatingbr-protein-skimmer-984.html
Octopus DNW-150 (needs another feed source)
6 x 12 x 22
up to 180gal
needle wheel
recirculating

-EXTERNAL MOUNT

http://www.aquacave.com/octopus-pro-250e-br-recirculating-needle-wheel-br-protein-skimmer-2226.html
Reef Octopus PRO 250E (needs feed line)
up to 180gal? (seems underrated for features)
needle wheel
recirculating
bubble plate
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I think the new Octopus models are the best value. The Extreme has a bubble plate and the Pro has the recirc and bubble plate but is external mount (possible leaks?). Which is a better feature the recirc or the bubble plate?

125gal moving to SPS, (halides coming soon)

Deuce67
08-29-2008, 09:56 AM
This looks bad azz!
http://www.aquacave.com/images/PRO250E1.jpg

Deuce67
08-29-2008, 09:59 AM
Becketts are nice but requires a pressure rated pump. For a 125g, I would not even consider a becket. Bubblemasters are nice but kinda flimsy from the looks I have seen. Scratch the Tunze. Bubble plate is the bomb so scratch the ASM unless money is an issue.

Snake_Dr
08-29-2008, 10:07 AM
Joe, I'd go with the Octopus, get the gate valve mod or do it yourself, it is pretty easy. This enables you to make fine adjustments on your output.

Huhhhhh
08-29-2008, 12:14 PM
Joe, I'd go with the Octopus, get the gate valve mod or do it yourself, it is pretty easy. This enables you to make fine adjustments on your output.

I'll swear by a gate valve mod.

JLAURENCE32
08-29-2008, 12:20 PM
Russ, that Reef Octopus PRO 250E looks sweet doesn't it? Lots of features. I like the feed line from the overflow w/recirc, first line of waste collecting, but on the external mount, I would guess you'd have to cut a hole in your sump to return the water, cause it couldn't go up and over the sump wall.

Murf, what's a gate valve mod and do the new Octopus Extreme or Pros have them. I can't tell by looking. You think a bubble plate on the Extreme is good enough without the recirc like the Pro?

calvin415
08-29-2008, 12:28 PM
This looks bad azz!
http://www.aquacave.com/images/PRO250E1.jpg

That is sweet, makes me actually consider scrapping a DIY beckett...

calvin415
08-29-2008, 12:29 PM
Russ, that Reef Octopus PRO 250E looks sweet doesn't it? Lots of features. I like the feed line from the overflow w/recirc, first line of waste collecting, but on the external mount, I would guess you'd have to cut a hole in your sump to return the water, cause it couldn't go up and over the sump wall.

Murf, what's a gate valve mod and do the new Octopus Extreme or Pros have them. I can't tell by looking. You think a bubble plate on the Extreme is good enough without the recirc like the Pro?


You would have to mount it higher than your sump to drain, or you would have to keep it in the sump...

These have a built in gate already. You just twist the upper half of the pipe to open and close the outlet.

Deuce67
08-29-2008, 12:31 PM
You dont need a gate valve for the Octo Pro or Extreme. The riser is a wedge pipe design kinda like a Bubble King. No need to cut a hole in your sump to feed the skimmer. Just use a small pump like a Maxijet 900 or 1200. Place the pump as close as you can where your overflow is coming in the sump. Thats what Im doing.

JLAURENCE32
08-29-2008, 12:37 PM
You dont need a gate valve for the Octo Pro or Extreme. The riser is a wedge pipe design kinda like a Bubble King. No need to cut a hole in your sump to feed the skimmer. Just use a small pump like a Maxijet 900 or 1200. Place the pump as close as you can where your overflow is coming in the sump. Thats what Im doing.

I meant the water going from the skimmer to the sump. I think the line would have to stay lower than the water level in the skimmer or gravity would take over.

Deuce67
08-29-2008, 12:39 PM
Oh, the riser pipes on skimmer are usually cut to fit your system. What showing on the pic is not nessecarily the way the skimmer will be set up.

JLAURENCE32
08-29-2008, 12:39 PM
Also, I don't understand how a sliding pipe unit can be mounted externally? Won't it leak?

Deuce67
08-29-2008, 12:41 PM
It doesnt slide. It twist. It has a gasket inside the pipe

calvin415
08-29-2008, 12:51 PM
Oh, the riser pipes on skimmer are usually cut to fit your system. What showing on the pic is not nessecarily the way the skimmer will be set up.

However it does have a limit, you can only go so high before you have to raise your skimmer. I thought you mentioned this would fit in your sump though? If that is the case, problem solved and then you don't need to worry about the possibility of a flood in the event the skimmer goes nuts. Recirc skimmer while they can be run externally, they don't HAVE to be run externally.

Deuce67
08-29-2008, 12:55 PM
True on what Eric said. I have an external skimmer that is in my sump. Just in case yah know!

JLAURENCE32
08-29-2008, 04:53 PM
If you had to choose just one, would you rather have a recirculator or a bubble plate? I'm stuck between the two. I think that Octopus Pro is probably too much trouble to fit in my system.

JLAURENCE32
08-29-2008, 05:49 PM
Oh! I just figured out how the new Octopus outlet pipes work. The output piece with the 'T' fitting doesn't move, it's the piece of pipe above it, that twists up and down to control the output. And that tube is open at the top to allow air to escape.

I also just noticed the Octopus DNW Recirc is too big for my sump. So it's either the Extreme 200 in sump or the Pro externally mounted. If the 'recirc' is a must, then the Pro is the only one. Also, if the Extreme 200 doesn't fit, is the Extreme 160 good enough?

Deuce67
08-29-2008, 06:04 PM
Why not both recirc and a bubble plate? Thats what I use.

Deuce67
08-29-2008, 06:06 PM
The Pro is a recirc and has a bubble plate. Best of both worlds.

Snake_Dr
08-30-2008, 07:22 PM
Here you go, Joe;

http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1461890

JLAURENCE32
08-31-2008, 12:06 AM
Here you go, Joe;

http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1461890

Thanks for the link Paul. I think I have decided on the Octopus Extreme 200. I just seen Marty's and it's kickin' a$$. And this new one has a better pump and bubble plate. Also, I'm gonna get a bigger sump, too. Time to beg Eric for that.

Snake_Dr
08-31-2008, 12:12 AM
Scott has that 55 for sale, John Stelting does too!

JLAURENCE32
08-31-2008, 12:18 AM
Won't fit under my stand. only 16" deep.

Snake_Dr
08-31-2008, 12:23 AM
Won't fit under my stand. only 16" deep.

Build a bigger stand, we have the technology!!!!!:christof:

JLAURENCE32
08-31-2008, 12:27 AM
haha! Your killin' me! I gotta go to bed, I can stand any more learning. Here's a video of the extreme 200 at work.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rMj0o0Aehs

Snake_Dr
08-31-2008, 12:45 AM
I can't see it here at work, one of the sites we have blocked.

Reefkoi
08-31-2008, 07:39 AM
Looks like you made a good choice there.
C

Murfman
09-13-2008, 01:25 PM
If you want to save some coin.....

http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1470320

Reefkoi
09-13-2008, 03:45 PM
BTW I saw these skimmers in person at the show, they looked good and I think I have some video footage of them as well.
C

JLAURENCE32
09-13-2008, 09:22 PM
BTW I saw these skimmers in person at the show, they looked good and I think I have some video footage of them as well.
C

You talking about the octopus? Mine should be here wed.

Murfman
09-14-2008, 07:22 AM
You talking about the octopus? Mine should be here wed.

I think he miss posted and meant to post on the new skimmer thread I posted from Marine Depot.

Take some good pix of the skimmer and especially the bubble plate area, I want to see how that is engineered. I might have to use Caleb to glue one in, if I mod. (my arms wont fit down the throat of the skimmer)

aquaman2000
09-14-2008, 07:25 AM
Just get a BK or a ETSS Down draft Paul.

Murfman
09-14-2008, 07:42 AM
I am gonna have to upgrade, I don't think my Octopus will handle the 300 + 125 sump volume.

aquaman2000
09-14-2008, 08:12 AM
Did you put the baffle in the 125 yet? no less then 15" no more then 17".

Murfman
09-14-2008, 08:24 AM
I was waiting on your pm or email with the specifics for each chamber, so no, I haven't. I will get the glass and start on that when I move the 300 and 125 to the house.

Reefkoi
09-14-2008, 08:38 AM
You talking about the octopus? Mine should be here wed.

Yeah they had several of them, and I saw the ones with the bubbleplates and multiple pumps, I think one was an 8" body which might be the next size bigger than what you got?

Anyway I didn't see them in action, they were just on display and I was talking to the rep about who makes them and I guess the same company that makes the reeflo orca does

Murfman
09-14-2008, 08:54 AM
I thought the Octopus' were made in China with cheap acrylic?

Reefkoi
09-14-2008, 09:38 AM
Well if they are then so are the reeflo orcas I guess.
I got it on video, they had like 8 different models.
The guy displaying all the coral vue products was showing them off. I assume coral vue is the distributer maybe?