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Amphispur
10-18-2012, 12:58 PM
Hi guys! My dad is letting me upgrade my 55 from t5's to LED!!! So I was wondering if anyone knows of some cheap, good led systems that work for coral as well. Thanks!

Amphispur

reefmaster719
10-18-2012, 01:22 PM
Joe is doing a group buy tommo if you want them.

Amphispur
10-18-2012, 01:28 PM
Those are a little pricey. We are just going to do the realitivly cheap ones for now, such as 50-100 dollars. I know that is not really a "good price" but we have a few canidates on ebay that fit that price range. Here are the links:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Saltwater-Aquarium-Reef-Coral-WHITE-14000K-Light-LED-Strip-250-Lumens-Ft-14-000k-/270993731485?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&var=&hash=item3f187c2f9d

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Aquarium-Fish-Tank-BLUE-Moon-Lighting-LED-Strip-100-Lumens-Ft-Salt-Water-Reef-/280879088497?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&var=&hash=item4165b2c371

reefmaster719
10-18-2012, 01:38 PM
Those led "strips" will nit grow your corals. They are made for supplementing.. the cheapest you will find leds for coral will be Joes price.

Amphispur
10-18-2012, 01:41 PM
Ok thanks! Wow that would have gone down hill fast. Il talk to my dad and see if we can get an order

Amphispur
10-18-2012, 01:57 PM
Ok so since these are fairly new to the market, my dad wants me to experiment with them. I will let them run at a 3:1 blue white luminen ratio. The total luminens will be 1200 for the blue and 400 white.

reefmaster719
10-18-2012, 02:31 PM
Hooked should chime in here at will tell you more. Imho I wouldn't even waste my money on these. I don't believe these r the right ones to grow anything with. Again,talk to hooked.

hooked
10-18-2012, 03:48 PM
Zach,
Your are talking about trying the LED strips that you have links to?
I have some of them that I bought for testing. I tried them on a standard 55g. Don't punch so well to the bottom. I ended up putting them over my freshwter tank. If you look at his categories they are in the supplimental lighting area. The blues would be perfect for moonlighting. I think you will be dissapointed if you go that route.

reefmaster719
10-18-2012, 03:54 PM
Doyle. How much would a diy cost for his tank if you could build a unit or two?

Amphispur
10-18-2012, 03:59 PM
Ok thanks for the responses. How do you make your set ups Doyle? I have heard of DIY LEDs but I do not know much about them.

reefmaster719
10-18-2012, 04:04 PM
You can make your own ONLY if your comfortable with soldering led pins to the board. Rapidled.com makes great kits for diy but I know Doyle makes great lights as well.

Amphispur
10-18-2012, 04:07 PM
Wow soldering, never done that before.

hooked
10-18-2012, 04:11 PM
Wow soldering, never done that before.

Ahh. No Problem!!!
Let me put some prices together and I'll shoot you a pm. May be saturday though till I can get to it.

Amphispur
10-18-2012, 04:19 PM
Ok thanks Doyle! I will have to talk with my dad about the prices once you pm me since he is the "money man".

reefmaster719
10-18-2012, 04:22 PM
You will regret it if your cheap in this hobby. If you can't afford them then save save save. Your tank and corals will thank you!

Amphispur
10-18-2012, 04:24 PM
Thanks for the tip reefmaster! I am actually selling a bunch of stuff to amazon and going to get a giftcard that is in the low 3 digit range to help if it comes to that and we just buy a unit from amazon.

Amphispur
10-18-2012, 04:36 PM
So doyle, I am currently talking to my dad and his idea is that we have mirrors for the leds to magnify the power of it. Would this work well?

reefmaster719
10-18-2012, 04:47 PM
Polished Parabolic reflectors would be your best bet for reflecting light. I believe mirrors absorb a lot of light before reflecting it. For a 55 you don't need two much power to hit the bottom. Doyle?

freedominco
10-18-2012, 05:17 PM
leds use optics not reflectors

sent from my HTC evo 4G

hooked
10-18-2012, 05:31 PM
Some of the strips use a reflector. It does help a little. But since an led only emits at around 120 degree radius. A reflector doesn't do much. Not like it would with a bulb that emits 360 degrees. I don't know of any lenses for a strip type led though.
There is loss from a reflector though. And a greater loss from a mirror.


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Amphispur
10-18-2012, 05:35 PM
Ok i will tell him that.

freedominco
10-18-2012, 05:49 PM
I was not talking about strip leds, I thought he was asking about using mirrors as a reflector in a diy you would be doing for him.

sent from my HTC evo 4G

Amphispur
10-18-2012, 05:52 PM
Oh no my dad was just wondering about the strips and if that would work

freedominco
10-18-2012, 06:05 PM
id forget about those strips, diy kit or 2 used 120 watt panels if cost is an issue

before when I said lenses I ment to say optics.

sent from my HTC evo 4G

Larrypueblo
10-18-2012, 10:38 PM
take a look at these they are 268.00 for two units free shipping http://www.aliexpress.com/item/120w-55-3w-led-aquarium-dimmable-light-black-shell-hot-sale-120w-led-coral-reef-aquarium/637430647.html and they dim and they will grow corals and 2 is all you should need for a 55gal

Larrypueblo
10-19-2012, 10:00 PM
did you get a chance 2 check out these lights yet Amphispur?

hooked
10-19-2012, 10:08 PM
take a look at these they are 268.00 for two units free shipping http://www.aliexpress.com/item/120w-55-3w-led-aquarium-dimmable-light-black-shell-hot-sale-120w-led-coral-reef-aquarium/637430647.html and they dim and they will grow corals and 2 is all you should need for a 55gal

WOW, that's a smokin' price.

reefmaster719
10-19-2012, 10:09 PM
Sounds like he's in the high hundred dollar range?

Larrypueblo
10-19-2012, 10:11 PM
ya for sure, and thats for 2 55 led120 watt led and dim as well thats good lol

reefmaster719
10-19-2012, 10:15 PM
He said he's on a budget of high hundreds for two units. Doesn't like good finding them cheaper then yours.

Joe
10-19-2012, 10:46 PM
Those linked by Larry look the Evergrow ones. I know the D120 version gets good reviews by some people on Reef Central. I decided to wait on my order, but I can't make the meeting tomorrow night when this will all get a lot of discussion. After a while all of them either start looking the same, or each one looks better than the previous one.

Amphispur
10-19-2012, 11:21 PM
Ok wow lol I've been so focused on the frag tank, I havnt checked here in a while. Yes I'm "low-balling" as they say. I might just keep the t8's as my dad tells me we actually have on the 55 and just put led's on my 30 g frag tank I'm setting up. It's either going to be LEDs or some more t8's but not sure yet. Man this is gunna be one hell of a discussion tommorow haha.

reefmaster719
10-19-2012, 11:29 PM
Lol.. what r you trying to grow?

Amphispur
10-19-2012, 11:34 PM
Everything!!! Lol joking. Not yet at least… No I'm starting out with a few zoas and shrooms. I might have 1 or 2 sps just to see how they do under the lighting, but that will happen later.

reefmaster719
10-19-2012, 11:38 PM
Sps will die under t8s. Shrooms and zoas will be fine but you will love the difference in color the t5s and leds bring out when upgrading.

Amphispur
10-19-2012, 11:42 PM
Ok. Our problem with t5's is that they burn too quickly. Have you found this to be an issue in your tank?

reefmaster719
10-19-2012, 11:46 PM
Burn? Like the bulbs burn out?

Amphispur
10-19-2012, 11:51 PM
Yea sorry iPhone doesn't like me lol but yes the bulbs are burning out quickly.

reefmaster719
10-20-2012, 12:07 AM
Leds last ~4-10 yrs depending on brand. T5s r what I used to one and need replaced every 5-9mnths.

reefmaster719
10-20-2012, 12:07 AM
Save your money and go with a set of 300.00 leds.

Amphispur
10-20-2012, 12:09 AM
ok time to bring out the piggy bank!

Amphispur
10-20-2012, 12:11 AM
Have you ever tried these or know someone who has?


http://www.petco.com/product/112418/Marineland-LED-Double-Bright-Aquarium-Lighting-System.aspx?CoreCat=OnSiteSearch

reefmaster719
10-20-2012, 12:16 AM
My neighbor has one over his freshwater planted tank and it does the trick. I heard bad reviews on reef central about them as well. Stay will the lights we bring up and you'll do fine. Chinese or DIY leds r the best on your budget.

Amphispur
10-20-2012, 12:18 AM
Okey dokey then! A great man once told me on tv, "patience young padawan and one day all your questions will be answered."

reefmaster719
10-20-2012, 12:22 AM
don't watch those movies. What doesn't come from China nowadays by import?? Chinese make great things depending where it comes from.

Bigfoot610
10-20-2012, 12:36 AM
Leds seem nice but alot have mixed results i would start with a low to mid grade fixture or diy kit to see if its for you. IMO leds have come along way but still have a ways to go untill they get the kinks worked out. http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2203067 is the thread of people switching back to MH

Amphispur
10-20-2012, 12:40 AM
Ok. What lighting is on the clubs frag tank that we bring to meetings? Would that be a good option for a 30 gallon with sps?

Bigfoot610
10-20-2012, 12:42 AM
Led lighting is not new but it is still an child that is just learning to walk i would weight our options im sure there are good leds and bad leds and in reefkeeping remember the one cardinal rule you ge what you pay for if it comes down to brand always spend the exra to get the product that is proven

Amphispur
10-20-2012, 12:45 AM
Ok so now here's my delema, do I go with t5's and replace them every five months, or go with the metal halide? I'm starting to think go with the halide.

reefmaster719
10-20-2012, 12:50 AM
Ai sols are the best for the rich lol but r proven to grow anything. Chinese r the best for the money tho and will do just as well.. over the frag tank they rum an EVO. You'll see if your there tommo!

Amphispur
10-20-2012, 12:53 AM
Ok! guess that's my que to get some sleep so I can actually have energy for that! See ya tommorow!

Amphispur
10-20-2012, 12:54 AM
And wow that's a lot of people on at 1 am lol!

Bigfoot610
10-20-2012, 12:58 AM
2012in the wtb forum here on thescmas.com site in my halide thread i have linked a couple pics those are a standard 30
gallon tank with a single 10k metalhalide bulb and here is another of the same 30

Bigfoot610
10-20-2012, 01:03 AM
the bulb was a xm brand 10k you just have to know what you want 6600 k very yellow but your corals are drab but grow fastest 10 k adds a little more blue and still provides for good growth 14 is bluer but you lose growth for color and 20 is the bluest your corals will pop with color it is very purpleish/blueish but growth is the slowest

Amphispur
10-20-2012, 01:07 AM
Lol can't sleep. Too excited about learning! Sounds like for me a 20 for my 55 (eventually) and a 10 for the frag tank.

Amphispur
10-20-2012, 01:08 AM
And that is a very nice 30!

reefmaster719
10-20-2012, 01:17 AM
Leds you get both. 10-14k spectrum and 460nm for blue that make corals pop. I'm putting a Chinese fixture over my frag tank that has 2x more blues then whites cuz I like the pop.

Bigfoot610
10-20-2012, 01:18 AM
That is the right thing to do when it comes to major decisions educate your self to the fullest everyones situation likes and needs are a little bit different if there are particular corals you like see what results people are getting from them with what lights and combinations.