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Chase Thorn
02-27-2012, 10:18 PM
Plan #1
So I am waiting for my two jbj picos to get in... So i have been messing around and need some tips for lighting! (the circles are the LED placement and are shown on top for diagram purpose only)
Here is the two tanks (exact measurements...) with a hanging 12 3w DIY LED kit from Aquastyle online for $55. measuring 15" long x 4.5" wide.
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7061/6937168135_d243735bf9.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/chasephotography16/6937168135/)
Picture 3 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/chasephotography16/6937168135/) by Chase!? (http://www.flickr.com/people/chasephotography16/), on Flickr
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7201/6937168109_ac8d61e64c.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/chasephotography16/6937168109/)
Picture 2 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/chasephotography16/6937168109/) by Chase!? (http://www.flickr.com/people/chasephotography16/), on Flickr

Plan #2
My other idea is getting a 24" T5 fixture from Aquascape for around $100...
A 2 buld fixture that would have enough watts for awesome growth!

What would be better for what i pay?
What will i get better growth out of?
I know its just a pico... But i want this to look awesome! and lighting is a real tricky thing for me.

Aricml
02-27-2012, 11:08 PM
I would think twice about doing both on one heatsink. If you get creative you can find attractive looking heatsinks that might look better and cost less. Ill take a look when I get home and see if I can find some links for you. Also going with two heatsinks gives you more freedom on adjusting height over each tank and placement of tanks. Just my two cents though, and I'll get you some links to illustrate my point later on

Chase Thorn
02-27-2012, 11:13 PM
The reason the LEDs are like that is because of the demonstration on the bottom of this page. http://www.aquastyleonline.com/products/Aquarium-12-x-3-watts-DIY-LED-Kit.html

I am leaning more towards T5 because of the convenience... but im still not sure

Aricml
02-27-2012, 11:43 PM
Ah! I didn't know you were going with the non-dimmable kit that came with the heatsink. Well if thats what you want, I'd say you're barking up the right tree. However, if I may be so bold I would recommend you at least take a peek at the 14 LED dimmable kit they have on that website. It costs $15 more, but if you don't mind paying the bit extra you may really enjoy being able to dim your blues and whites separately.

If you go T5's all the more power to you, they are tried and true. However if you are looking for something eye catching and impressive, it's tough to go wrong with the LED's. I am putting the final tweaks on my build and I just couldn't be more thrilled with the way my corals pop and the shimmer in my tank.

I can't wait to see which way you go with this.

Chase Thorn
02-28-2012, 12:04 AM
if i can get my girlfriend to order just this one thing then im going LED!

Chase Thorn
02-28-2012, 12:19 AM
http://www.petco.com/product/113078/Coralife-Dual-Fixture-High-Output-T5-Aquarium-Light-Fixture.aspx

Here is what i might go for if i cant get ahold of a card!

Chase Thorn
02-28-2012, 12:43 AM
I cant decide!

dirtefish
02-28-2012, 02:17 AM
chase if ya go with t5s i got a 2bulb 24 inch fixture I been thinking about selling. Lemme know if your interested and ill get ya more info and pics.

calvin415
02-28-2012, 09:57 AM
If you do not plan to use a sump and plumb them together, then I would go with LED's to keep any excess heat out to help control evap. If you will drill them and plumb them to a sump where you can setup ATO, then it's a toss up...

Chase Thorn
02-28-2012, 10:10 AM
Yes, if i went with the T5 i would make a cover for both of them and just run heaterless.
I would really love to buy the LED! but my girlfriend... the card holder... Is still sketched out from our last purchase. Which was the jbj pico, the company took the money with out contacting us for almost 3 weeks. I just got the call yesterday about the tracking number for it, and she doesn't like the idea of ordering anything online much anymore. If i can, I'll get her to order just this LAST thing for the tanks! Also, When i do get it, and if i go LED (most likely) I would love to be able to bring it to a meeting and have help set it up! If that is an option. But i do not have my tanks yet so that should be in about a week i would guesstimate. I have some cash now but not enough for shipping to give to her. So ill update once I get home and see if she is willing to!

calvin415
02-28-2012, 10:13 AM
Any reason you don't want to drill them? Would keep you from needing twice the equipment, and help them look open.

Chase Thorn
02-28-2012, 10:19 AM
I would have to buy more things. For the total of 6 gals... I would use one of my two 10 gals. But then i would need media bask, pumps, return pump and stuff... And I have no place to put a sump :(

calvin415
02-28-2012, 10:27 AM
Don't need media baskets or any more than a return pump. Instead you will need 2 filters, 2 heaters, 2 powerheads for your 2 tanks... not have room for a skimmer and will have a heck of a time with top off... :(

Just a suggestion, but it's your tank(s)... ;)

Chase Thorn
02-28-2012, 10:39 AM
I'm considering drilling them but could i drill from the back lower corner instead of the bottom? ill post a picture of my room and how its set up and where the tanks will go.

This is where the tanks will go and where i would put the sump...
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7196/6938586791_df40f98dd8.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/chasephotography16/6938586791/)
Untitled (http://www.flickr.com/photos/chasephotography16/6938586791/) by Chase!? (http://www.flickr.com/people/chasephotography16/), on Flickr

This is where i would like the pumps to go to the tank.
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7060/6792472162_0943e0f360.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/chasephotography16/6792472162/)
Untitled (http://www.flickr.com/photos/chasephotography16/6792472162/) by Chase!? (http://www.flickr.com/people/chasephotography16/), on Flickr

If i where to run chaeto, I could easily use my stock lights! and i can run my Marineland Penguin 100 on the 10gal and put my heater on it!

So what is the cost and what do i need?

calvin415
02-28-2012, 10:53 AM
Yeah, doesn't even need to be in the bottom corner, it can be in the top corner. ;) Just need a bulkhead (5 bucks +/-) and a drill bit which I'm sure someone would loan...

I drilled mine through the wall and the bottom...
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y242/calvin415/ADA%20Build/DSCN6170.jpg

Chase Thorn
02-28-2012, 10:55 AM
Cool! Think i make one under ~30? HAHA But all i need is bulk head, Pumps, Return pump... Thats it huh?

Chase Thorn
02-28-2012, 10:57 AM
Also in this case... I might as well go with T5... I really doubt i can order again so i might just look around for a T5 and possibly buy that one guys who posted up there^^
but that of course wont be for awhile... I like to plan ahead!

Chase Thorn
02-28-2012, 11:29 AM
So it this a sump? this is what i came up with that might work that i can remember seeing in some tank threads.
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7203/6792600708_365917ae21.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/chasephotography16/6792600708/)
Picture 2 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/chasephotography16/6792600708/) by Chase!? (http://www.flickr.com/people/chasephotography16/), on Flickr

calvin415
02-28-2012, 11:37 AM
Like it! :)

Chase Thorn
02-28-2012, 11:41 AM
BUT would this mean i need TWO return pumps?

dirtefish
02-28-2012, 11:43 AM
BUT would this mean i need TWO return pumps?

Or one pump split to feed both tanks.

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Aricml
02-28-2012, 11:49 AM
I want to give some advice about the lights. Decide what you want foremost and find a way to make it happen, even if that requires more patience. You will have a long time to look at the tank, and if you get lights you won't be thrilled with t save a few bucks or get them sooner, that will be a long time to feel a hint of regret every time you turn them on. Just my opinion, but get what you really truly want, even if it takes longer and you'll thank yourself later!

calvin415
02-28-2012, 12:01 PM
Or one pump split to feed both tanks.

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+1, T with 2 valves to regulate flow to each.

Chase Thorn
02-28-2012, 01:00 PM
Cool! Well I'll get started when my tanks get here! Hope that is soon!

dirtefish
02-28-2012, 01:11 PM
I want to give some advice about the lights. Decide what you want foremost and find a way to make it happen, even if that requires more patience. You will have a long time to look at the tank, and if you get lights you won't be thrilled with t save a few bucks or get them sooner, that will be a long time to feel a hint of regret every time you turn them on. Just my opinion, but get what you really truly want, even if it takes longer and you'll thank yourself later!

Huge +1 the price of led diy kits has gotten so low its worth the extra 20 or 50 when getting started. Basically a whole led kit is gonna be less than a t5 fixture and a years worth of bulbs. In addition having dimmable color control, less heat, smaller profile, and np bulb replacement to worry about.


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Chase Thorn
02-28-2012, 01:14 PM
So if I go led. Gould I still attempt the sump? I love the idea just need to know how to do it!

calvin415
02-28-2012, 01:21 PM
So if I go led. Gould I still attempt the sump? I love the idea just need to know how to do it!

Yeah, Lighting has no dependency on filtration and vice-versa... Sorry if I made it sound that way. My point was only that it would be easier to maintain evap and heating issues if you wanted T5's to use a sump. It will still be beneficial with any lighting.

Chase Thorn
02-28-2012, 01:29 PM
Oh no! I totally know what ou were saying! I love the idea so I can add more water volume! I will make tops for these tanks but I like not having to have a prob or a thermometer or filter on it!

ALSO! Can I go to the store and buy a visa gift card and order it online using that? I always have cash just no bank account!

dirtefish
02-28-2012, 01:31 PM
So if I go led. Gould I still attempt the sump? I love the idea just need to know how to do it!

Running a sump makes everything easier. Your heating/cooling, filtration for bio and mechanical, pod friendly area, versatility with flow, extra water for more stability, a place to dose if needed, etc there are a lot of good reasons to add one.
For picos and nanos there also super cool to hide some of the neat diy stuff u can do. Google coke bottle skimmer. For a couple of bucks u can make a really nice performing skimmer. Its ugly as hell though so having a sump means u can hide it :)

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calvin415
02-28-2012, 01:48 PM
Can I go to the store and buy a visa gift card and order it online using that?

Yes

sweat044
02-28-2012, 01:55 PM
Not to hijack the thread but are the DIY LED's hard to make? I am not very handy.

Chase Thorn
02-28-2012, 03:29 PM
Get a soldering iron from lowes or homedepot for ~$20! and there are how tos I know of on Nanoreef.com

iseedeadcorals
02-28-2012, 03:49 PM
if you dont want to solder; http://www.rapidled.com/dimmable-plug-and-play-retrofit-kits/

dirtefish
02-28-2012, 04:07 PM
double post hours later, when i hit refresh.

Chase Thorn
02-28-2012, 05:05 PM
AHHH Pretty bummed... Since I live under my moms roof for now... I can't build a sump because she doesn't want the possibility of an over flow or just to have that much stuff running for now... Oh well! I'm going with the LED and no sump! Not to bad if ya ask me! So Ill keep this idea for later and maybe build it and have her not see it :P